Kevin Hogan

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Story: How to Never Tell a Boring Story Again

Let’s begin with a story that is in dialogue form. I’ve told this story and hundreds of others from the stage and people remember them for the rest of their lives. Let’s see if you’ll remember this story and some of it’s “lessons” for the rest of your life.

Sitting at a restaurant…somewhere…based on a very true story. My dinner partner wants help with reinventing her business. She wants to be a coach like every other human on planet earth and make money on Facebook. Sigh… I’m going to call her Disaster not because she is as a person but because she is stuck in a brain feedback loop that could cause me to be institutionalized.

DISASTER: I really just want to make $10,000 per month. So I started to look at all the successful people in coaching parents who have kids with disabilities online. For example.  Look at this. (She tries to hand me her phone.)

Kevin: No. Please don’t show me what another human is doing. it’s not important to your life.  And can I suggest you not describe people as successful until you have defined that for me AND you.  Forgive me, but, I’m guessing you have no idea about her real ‘success or failure. Jane, YOUR ability to communicate a story persuasively on multi-levels IS the best predictor of YOUR financial success there is. What someone else does is simply not important…at all. Zero.


DISASTER: Oh no, I know she is making lots of money because I saw her speak at the national conference. She’s rich.


Kevin: So are a lot of criminals. It sounds like making money is part of your definition of success. Or being “rich” is. Let’s forget her because whatever she does or has is not important to you.  Did you see her successful 1040? A successful credit score over 777? Her successfully paid off mortgage? Any one REAL sign of success? No? We can skip the video if not.


DISASTER: I don’t have or know any of those things.


Kevin: No one ever does. Most people look at all the wrong stuff in life and business. You have a lot of company.  Tell me a STORY of what YOU would like to see happen in your life with this business project.


DISASTER: Thank you Kevin, here is a You Tube story of a woman who is doing this kind of work. It’s exactly what I want to do, please watch this video. (She places her phone in my hand and I reluctantly accept.)


Kevin: Why am I looking at your phone?


DISASTER: Because this is what is selling in my niche and I want to be successful.


[I laughed. It wasn’t nice but it’s better than shouting.]


DISASTER: Why is this funny? Kevin, this is not very nice of you.

Kevin: I am definitely trying not to be contemptuous but you have no idea if this is an example of a tiny piece of something that might be profitable. You need to tell me what you are really up for doing. If 1000 people do exactly what she does, 1000 people will all have different results. It all means nothing, really. Nothing.

DISASTER: But look Kevin she has 500,000 views!


Kevin: So does Kate Upton on her latest You Tube video and she posted it YESTERDAY. Why not do what SHE DOES?  Neither video means a thing to your life. She could have a MILLIONS of views and it means nothing. If success means 500,000 views on You Tube then  you can go buy You Tube video views today for next to nothing. It’s tacky and tragic but…you can if you wish. You’ll be successful in one day. If all you want are views, it’s on sale. It doesn’t really connect with success very well.


DISASTER: I know her views are real.


Kevin: So are Kate Upton’s… can I show you her video she posted yesterday?


DISASTER: There’s no point to that. Please just watch. It would mean a lot to me.


[Her feed from her mental internet service is obviously buffering and going nowhere so I relent. I watch for 4:45 seconds.  When I finish, I am in mental anguish. I look up at her and hand her the phone back. I will not likely work with this person again.]


DISASTER: Let me show you another. Just a second.


[Sweet mother of…I now understand the ‘ban handgun’ arguments.]


Kevin: You’re going to find ANOTHER horrible video made by someone who should be singing in the shower and not talking on a You Tube video? NO. Stop.


[She hands me the phone and gives me a video of another woman talking to a poorly framed camera view in a home that is a mess. 3 minutes and change. I turn her phone off. There is no content she could show me that would make this person’s video better than Kate Upton’s video and Kate’s video means nothing.]


Disaster: I wish you would have just watched. Kevin, these women are just the tip of the iceberg.


Kevin: I bet.


DISASTER: They are all earning over a quarter million dollars per year.


[I look her squarely in the eyes as now I KEEP HER PHONE.]


Kevin: No, they are not. These people show no business skill or thinking process at all. They are boring. they don’t talk to the viewer but simply chat strictly about themselves. People like this fail at the basics. They are gone in 2 – 5 years. And all of their success or failure means absolutely nothing to your future. Zero. Your cats opinion is more important than these videos.


DISASTER: How do YOU know Kevin?


Kevin: You would have asked someone else if you wanted someone else to direct your mental traffic on this. And yes, I HAVE seen their 1040 and I know they are mortgaged to the hilt. I’ve had hundreds of people like this apply for Inner Circle. Sometimes we can turn them into stars. If they listen and get focused we can help them build that fan base and following that actually wants to do business with someone who is talented and skilled. Unfortunately these women are neither. If you’re in elementary school and you’re copying your test answers off a geniuses paper…or an idiots paper…you end up with the same result at the end of the year. You are a failure.  So I now will give you one more chance. If THEY were any good at all, YOU could tell me what they are doing that impresses you and convince me you didn’t waste your life watching these…people’s…attempts.


DISASTER: I don’t know what to say.


Kevin: And you want an audience to not turn you off? Use language like this, ‘Kevin I want to help single women with autistic kids have a full and rich life. I want to show them how to successfully be a great Mom and be alive at the same time. I want to earn a living that would keep me in Boston, upper middle class for the next decade.’ Say nothing else, just what you want and what you will do, use what I just said as an outline.


DISASTER: Please, let me show you Kevin.


[She reaches for the phone in my hand. I sit on it.  IF this was someone I coached or consulted with, I’d fire them now. They are a friend. I’m still thinking of firing them. And I’ve had this identical conversation once a month for 5 years.]


DISASTER: Kevin! Well that’s my problem, I don’t know who I want to help or how to do it. I just know I want to make videos because you said  to be successful, it was important to be on You Tube. And these are successful women in my niche.


Kevin: Good job! You actually told me something! It’s important to be on You Tube, have a website where you can connect with future clients, have a brilliant marketing strategy, a well designed product or service, and the ability to be worth every penny of what you charge another human.   YOU can’t get what you want in life by showing me videos of your future competitors who really suck in creating videos that connect, that will help you reach your outcome.


DISASTER: 500,000 views in three months? (People consistently believe that views = $ or “likes” = Euros, and they do not.)


Kevin: Geezuz. You MUST get off of that phone. It’s killing you and it’s going to kill me.  You need to start not at what channel you want to watch on TV next year but what you will be doing in life and business next year. We don’t care even a little what ANYONE else is doing. We won’t repeat something we’ve already talked about any more. Tell me what you would like to be doing and what it all means to you.


We never got to the desired outcome. 70 minutes.  That said, she is alive and well in Boston today, almost five years later.


The above story is a common theme. A person gets stuck in some alternate universe and loses the ability to communicate about what they want while wanting to live another person’s life. Sadly the story doesn’t end.

If I tell this to the audience, my desired outcome is to put THEM through the pain that I suffered. But I will give them relief by doing this:


Sharing a story where the person seeking help actually wanted help enough to communicate what they want in life and business. It’s short and to the point and it releases all the tension.


Jack: Kev, we are going to be buying distressed properties that are a real mess from people who really want to get rid of the property. They are not listed for sale with a multi listing service. We take care of the taxes, liens, pretty much everything then resell the house. The problem is there are other people in the niche that we’re going to compete with here. What do we do to get to the owners first and then make an offer that they will take before we have to deal with the possibility of competing offers? Then how do I grow our presence in the market place so eventually people seek us out.


Kevin: No problem. Grab a paper and pen…

And it’s over.


Jack will succeed and Disaster will get a job at the grocery store or similar (and there’s nothing wrong with working at a grocery store) and experience a massive stress reduction.


By the way, the way to know if someone has a CHANCE at financial success is if they can tell you what they want, how they’ve thought about getting there (right or wrong) and what challenges they will likely have on the way that will have to be beaten. This is done in STORY form as you can see from Jack’s very simple and to the point “story.”


Most people will help you help them if you get them to tell you their future. “You don’t have to know all the answers or what’s going to happen, but tell me what you want, what problems you’ll have on the way, how you’ll overcome them and what all that will mean to you.” Your asking them for a simple movie of their future and most people can at least give you an outline. Most of the time people will give you a picture that is clear enough of what they want so you know how to be helpful to them.

Get Clear on your Intention and Limit your Scope

Imagine you wanted to teach someone to play chess. If you can explain the basic concept you can succeed in getting the other person to play. If you can’t, you won’t.

“The game has only one goal. Capture the other person’s King, which is one of their 16 pieces they get to use to try to capture your King. You both get the same pieces all of which have different abilities to move around the board and take out the other guys pieces and those pieces serve two functions. Protect their own King and capture the other guys King.”

When you want someone to understand you, begin with the outcome.

Yeah, let that thought settle for a moment…

Say your words so they matter.

In order to work at all, words need help from both the communicator AND the listener. YOU can have a great message to share with the world, but if the world isn’t paying attention, you have nobody but crickets for company. Blah, blah, blah.

Story Influence is the art and science of strategically embedding and disseminating information  for a very specific purpose.  Today, we’re looking at how to neatly wrap your message inside a story…and how it will make the story far more likely to succeed in achieving the intended result…influencing others to the desired outcome.

(New Story here)

Help them Participate

Just because you are holding the Talking Stick, it does not mean you get to spray words at the listener regardless of whether they are engaged. No-one’s comfortable at that end of the water cannon!
…the room was packed with people. We were all sitting down to eat at a table. 22 of us. One big long table. We were on our lunch break from training. I was sitting next to Ron Stubbs who was engaged in a conversation with our friend Katherin. I was sitting opposite a gal…whose face is a blur and name escapes me because the face is a blur. But the moment was memorable for me.

Storytelling Creates Engagement Kevin Hogan

…the waitress had been gone for almost 20 minutes before lunch was actually served. The woman across from me had been talking for almost the entire 20 minutes. My head was nodding because I wanted to be affable. I was already tired but she never recognized that I didn’t hear a word she said after maybe the first five or six minutes.

I do remember she told me all about her trip to Sedona. The energy vortex and all that. Any time I hear “energy vortex” or anything like that there is a part of me ready for engagement. But on this day, I was tired and soon the stories she was telling me drifted from the energy vortex to a trip she had just taken with her boyfriend and then…I don’t remember…anything.

I was sipping a tall diet Coke with lemon (I never liked lemon in my diet Coke and should have pulled it but I didn’t…) and nodding. I heard Ron and Katherin talking about the training and the modules they were going to be training. And I heard the hum of 10 other voices in the room chatting away, most lively though I wasn’t in tune with any of them.

Ron whispers in my ear, “Hey buddy, (he knows I hate being called “buddy”) you in trance or what?”

I know he said this because he told me later that I did.

Apparently I blinked my eyes.

The woman across from me said, “Don’t you think?”

It dawned on me she had told me a story about something for what seemed like forever (I found out later she had been talking for some 20 minutes straight) and I simply drifted into the ether. Fortunately only Ron noticed.

He laughs in my ear. I immediately get uncomfortable. I like Ron. One of my best friends in the world, but get outta my ear man.

“I can see that.” It is an automatic response I’ve learned over the years that gets you out of trouble when you don’t understand, can’t hear or have spaced out from boredom.

Ron put his left arm around my back grabbing my left shoulder. His Right hand grabbed my right shoulder. He looked at the gal.

“I need him for 2 minutes and you can have him back.”

Katherin looked at me with a big grin. I saw that she knew I was lost in space.

“I just saved your a-s, you owe me.”

And he did. He actually saved the entire class because the woman’s stories had shut me down and sent me past Neptune.

He talked a little about what he wanted to go over that day and then, mercifully, lunch arrived…
Captivate Your Listener

Great Stories have a Purpose Kevin Hogan

GREAT stories can grab and transport you straight to the teller’s POV, experiencing everything as if you are right there inside the movie in their mind.

BAD stories can totally shut down the listener. It takes very little to drive someone past disengagement to boredom and drop them off at checked-out junction as they struggle to maintain eye contact and polite facial expressions. Try announcing you are going to tell someone about the “really weird” dream you had last night…

Every story should have a purpose. It can be as simple as breaking the ice, or lightening up the concentration long enough to help the brain recharge and refocus for learning or problem solving. Or, it can have a subtle “moral” or teaching point, about you, or others, or how to solve a difficult frame of mind.  When it does it is a great vehicle for key messages,  and we know that allegory often works best to hold attention, reduce resistance and activate dormant resources.

Without that, stories can be classified as rambling, so get quickly to the all-important WIIFM?

Knowing that CONTEXT provides you with a clarity that will enable you to shape and refine your story, maximizing the experience for you and the listener. It will allow you to test for OUTCOME as you go along, by picking up on verbal and non-verbal cues to TEST for successful reactions.

Let’s get to work. Over the course of the next 3 articles, we’re going to cover a number of critical items as you learn the craft of strategic storytelling and more.

What intention do you have? What do you want the other person to think or feel after telling this story? What is your purpose?

You say to yourself…”I am telling this story to Kevin because I want him to____________” and you make sure your story moves Kevin in that direction.

If people thought in advance WHY they were telling a story they would tell far FEWER stories, or start telling more and BETTER ones. Some people rarely tell stories, leaving their conversation a little flat or dull. It’s never as fun to be told something directly as it is to be told in a story. Stories also become part of your BRAND. Some people tell a great baseball story, or GrandPa Joe’s war tales, and some people have the most hilariously self-deprecating disaster stories about the many ways they managed to injure themselves or fall over. You find yourself eager for the next episode of the Daily Banana Skin, or what they’re watching on TV this week, and that’s a good thing…

Words Create Rapport and Connection Kevin Hogan

You have to get it right. Stories can kill rapport or transport us to a plane far above rapport to a place of connection that is almost electric. That is why we pay $$ for movies and why NETFLIX can’t churn out new content fast enough for a world full of binge-watchers. We love to escape into a story. It explains our life way better that directly representational wording and is so much less boring than our mundane realities. We give permission for our disbelief to be suspended, and to be fooled a little for a little while.

I could swear it goes back to that soothing voice that said “Come and sit down, Children, and I’ll tell you a story…”

My reason for telling you a story must be clear to me or I don’t tell it. I don’t become more valuable by the word, unless those words have value.

Note: Just because you intend to tell a story for a specific result doesn’t mean you will get that specific result. It will ALWAYS be filtered through people’s beliefs, biases and values and experiences, meaning that there’s a chance that the story could be “offensive” or “felt” in a negative way. That will happen particularly when you tell a story to more than one person.

Know two things: It’s not the intention of every story you or I tell to deliver a “calm message.” Many messages MUST ignite emotions and even conflicts of emotions to influence people. That’s called a REACTION.

Second,  if you get similar feedback from multiple people you might want to reconsider the value or usefulness of a specific story. That’s the “testing” aspect we just talked about. There will for sure be some trial and error as you craft a more “Signature Story” (more about that later…).

With this caveat: The best communicators are often those who generate the most emotion, positive and negative (reactions) in others. When you think about Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan, you have two very different people and sets of beliefs, but you also have two successful communicators that were generally respected by the majority of people…even those who disagreed with them. Emotion influences because the listener is now emotionally ENGAGED instead of ASLEEP.

Engage and Capture Audience Attention Kevin Hogan

Legend Point: Capture, hold and focus the audience’s attention until they go into a natural waking trance. Share information in a simplistic fashion that appeals to the audience’s innate curiosity and need to learn.

Waking trance, wait…what?

Waking trance is the Alpha brain wave state, running about 9-13Hz, where the listener is relaxed but still conscious. That means they went into the movie and they are starting to see, hear, feel from that POV.

Give certain powerful SINGULAR self-revelations that reveal and teach the audience your values, beliefs, the goodness of your heart, and the emotional and experiential reasons for it.

That said, put all the emphasis on SINGULAR. If you tell a story that is a biography or a travelogue of your ENTIRE life-trip you space the other person out and they lose interest …completely.

Stories make Emotional Connections Kevin HoganIf you want someone to know that you value loyalty or that you believe in God or that you are a Red Sox fan or whatever, you want to STICK TO THE SINGULAR. PICK one covert message and stick with THAT message.

Avoid communicating too much or cramming  too much information in any one story. A good story maxes out at about 4 minutes in conversation with one person. You get one of those about every half hour. With small groups you have to make your stories tighter and more concise. With large groups of say 50 or more you can tell a longer story if it is emotion or action packed. Perhaps 6-7 minutes.

You want to self reveal because you must have the person you are communicating with be able to empathize with you….to know who you are “inside.” But self reveal in a non-threatening fashion.

Always put words of flattery about you back into the mouths of the people who originally said the words. So if you want to tell how smart, kind or professional you are, you will make sure the story you tell is one where someone ELSE tells you how smart, kind or professional you are, or where your qualities are somehow implied indirectly. “It was Thursday night last week and I had finally got through the messages of thanks from the last seminar I delivered, as I like to answer each one personally. People take their time to write, so acknowledging them back is the way I like to do business. So, I heard this really loud noise outside and ….” (add a short throwaway, somewhat amusing incident that you can use to segue into your next point).

This is the beauty of “covert.” It’s why a testimonial means so much more to the average person than a scientific study.

And, a testimonial that is SINGULAR in it’s message is ALWAYS more effective than a testimonial that says you are smart, good looking, and a good gardener…

Continued Next Week

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